Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? "I have," he admits, "a habit of . If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. Sure. Oh man. You lost those two. And Britain worked for the whole of the 19th century to put down slavery in Africa. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. This history of the black presence in . And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. Under English law, damages are assessed as being that amount needed to restore them to the position they would have been, had the event claimed against not occurred. Slavery didnt last much longer for various reasons, fizzled out in a century or so, but we have the records to show it was still part of the system after twenty years of Norman rule: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm. Not sure theyd do that with modern sensibilities mind you. Britain should be proud of helping to stop (African to America) slavery, like the Republican Party and unlike the Democrats. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. In 1986 I came across the book Staying Power by the British journalist Peter Fryer. Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing.. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. How would Nigeria treat a foreigner like him? Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. Yet theyre so many centuries and generations removed from the crime, everybody involved with the decision-making is long-dead and while the responsible state still exists, in practice compensation comes from taxes paid by citizens who had no part in it all. The exception is Tim Worstall, who is truly the Ron Jeremy of blogging. More than a million copies were sold in Britain cheap pirated versions reached a mass readership. Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. Arguably wrong in a crimes against humanity way (similar language of natural justice and universal morality indeed being used by the abolitionists and the UK itself when it tried to enforce a ban on the trade) that made it inherently illegal even when governments tried to put it on a legal footing. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. Fought to STOP southern independence. He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. Sugar was king: originally a luxury, it became one of the main sources of calories for the British poor. H istorian and broadcaster David Olusoga has been the face of a decolonial turn in British broadcasting that, in recent years, with series including the Bafta-winning Britain's Forgotten Slave. Shouldnt Olusoga be writing in Ubangi bantu-language? Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). And the Domesday Book even counts slaves as a separate category below the unfree peasants (villans, bordars and cottars) those owed service to a Lord who could order them to move about and could say yes or no to their proposed marriages, but unlike slaves he didnt own them, couldnt sell them, and they had property rights to at least a smallholding. I think it's an astonishing achievement.". It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. Societies have had a long history of treating minorities harshly. Will Britain change? That star stuff wont last. But as someone who is damaged by slavery I have lived in racially mixed communities and I am happy to see Obama and Kamala pay up. Then the adult men became profitable too. Dr Peter Olusoga is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology. Back in the heyday of blogging, perhaps ten years ago or so, there was a blogger calling him/herself The Heresiarch who enjoyed running against received opinions. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). I know. We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. The historian and producer said he wanted to. Sure. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. Needless to say, the national mood changed. Black history: Should it be part of the wider curriculum? In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. By David Dabydeen (Photo By Alamy) Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. In that moment, his interest in history overlapped. David will . In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. (If the likes of SMFS believe Western society will fall apart without a return to traditional Christian-inspired values, I suggest they either don a pessimists crash-helmet or just cling on and enjoy the ride to Hell in their top-gear handcart. Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. I agree BIS. Just as how in the 16th century the anti-slavery voices in Europe were overwhelmed, and in the 19th century the abolitionists won out. Slavery is bad or it isnt. . How could Britain, a civilised and Christian nation, indulge in rape, torture, killing and the forced labour of Africans over two centuries? Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. And tolerance is not a given. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. David Olusoga Historian, broadcaster and film-maker. Inflaming the reader has no purpose relative to slavery. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. Not to say it was nice. His rhetoric is to inflame the reader. Read about our approach to external linking. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. Their cities, as well as their comfort, will rapidly decay. "The phenomena of which he is iconic is one that we have written out, edited out of our nation. Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. In the USA? Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Have you ever read the account by Ibn Fadlan of a Viking funeral in Russia? You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. We do not know how great the demand for women was. The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). Video, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat, BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3: The Meaning of Zong, BBC Bitesize: The Zong 1781-1783 - The triangular trade, during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Fire knocks out half of Argentina's power grid, Havana Syndrome unlikely to have hostile cause - US, Starbucks illegally fired workers over union - judge. It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). So he calls himself a Geordie. Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. This ignorant fellow should study historical facts, rather than believing and repeating lies and half-truths. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. David Olusoga is a 49-year-old historian and presenter Credit: Getty - Contributor David Olusoga is a British Nigerian historian, broadcaster and writer. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. The problem with slavery is that it left us with their descendents and weak minded White populations. Used to be on a long-dead and much missed forum where the topics of debate ranged far wider than they do here (as did the viewpoints I think it would be useful if us right-wing brexity mob didnt chase off the sensible non-right-wing non-brexity types so much). "Incorporating the stories of people like Equiano is merely part of a process of looking at all of British history; not just being selective, not only going to the chapters that make us feel good about ourselves or proud.". This is because forgetting slavery means forgetting its victims. This seems rather unlikely. White people will take it. But its still awful, even on a historical scale. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. Read about our approach to external linking. Over 1000 years in Britain. I am not so sure about that although it is another argument. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. You may concede a point here, a point there. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? David Olusoga meets Janice Haber and her family, the descendents of Jewish . if he wants to be an historian he should present a fair and realistic picture of what happened, Your email address will not be published. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. . They did not pay for them and were going to kill a lot of them anyway. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. His book is a product of that childhood terror, and partly an exploration of his condition as a black Briton. You dont have esoteric discussions with paedophiles any more than you would with serial killers. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. They arent going to concede anything. That is not true. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. I was doing some genealogy research when I discovered my great grandfather was a well known member of the 18th Kentucky Infantry. And so, equipped with the fruits of Islamic learning (new navigational instruments, books on astronomy and trigonometry), European explorers set sail for Africa to relieve the natives of their gold. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. What do you think their stongest argument is? "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . The economics of the slave trade may have meant that it was cheaper to work someone to death rather than allowing him a comfortable old age. This is a moral argument. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. and while the responsible state still exists, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant.. Anti-black riots broke out in Liverpool that year. I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. Anybody can do this. Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. Very often shaped by the political, technological and economic forces of the times if the Western way of life had remained utterly dependent on Roman-style slavery, Im not sure wed ever have abolished it even amongst our own inhabitants. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? What is their strongest argument? He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history. (Britain expended blood and treasure on ending the slave trade, and thereby paid its moral debt already is one way of trying to resolve it, but rather unsatisfactory at righting the wrongs done to those who had already fallen victim to the trade.) What has he got to say about that? My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. That was at the least unusual, particularly from a West European perspective bearing in mind the practice of slavery had pretty much fizzled out there. It has been reissued by publishing house Hodder and Prof Olusoga has written the foreword. The strongest case I can see against reparations is not fundamentally a legal one but perhaps one degree abstracted the law if we can litigate that, we can litigate a heck of a lot of stuff from centuries past, tie our legal systems up in knots with no obvious limits in sight. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". The South Sea bubble, the greatest financial crash of the 18th century, was intimately connected to Britains dealings with Africa, though this is rarely acknowledged by historians. Welsh slave-raids into England continued until early Norman times. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. Even discussing it gives your opponents arguments merit. Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. I assume these were usually killed before Europeans turned up and bought them. I think a case could be made. @ Boganboy at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. Olusoga brilliantly reveals such contradictions in British society. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. In 1861, the Economist stated that nearly four million people in Britain depended directly and indirectly on the cotton industry; a fifth of the entire population. Required fields are marked *. And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. Exactly, bis. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. Not to say it was nice.. He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. Prof Olusoga, the presenter of the A House Through Time TV series, calls it an act of "historical salvage" to bring to the fore the black British figures who had been "lost in the archives, completely forgotten". They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. The Benin Dialogue Group announced it had brokered an agreement that will see "some of the most iconic" of the bronzes returned to Benin City, Nigeria, where they will be housed in the soon-to-be-built Benin Royal Museum. What difference has it made? One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. Not many remember anything about segregation either. How does it benefit anyone to make an issue about particular events? It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. Obama had none. Women, denied a meaningful role in politics, formed their own organisations, writing tracts, pamphlets and poems, gathering signatures for petitions and fundraising: At certain times and in certain places they were the engine room of the movement.. Get back to us when your sin/privilege is expunged. It does not take people long to starve to death and slaves were paid for. Now sixteen sounds about okay to me if youre going to stick a limit somewhere, but then being British I suppose Im more likely to think the system Im accustomed to is normal and reasonable. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. There is no reason to think that slavery was nicer in Africa. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. A weekly round-up of some of the best articles featured in the most recent issue of the New Statesman, sent each Saturday. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. Eventually, 11,000 separate British slave-trading expeditions resulted in the trafficking of three-and-a-half-million Africans to the New World plantations, the greatest forced migration in modern history until the 20th century. So how much have considered paedophilia? MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour?, True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral., But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom.. No. He seems to be an interesting social historian and his TV series on the occupants of a single house over the centuries is very good, although I suspect a lot of the research is done by others, I look forward to an even handed expose of the entire slave trade from birth to capture, imprisonment, sale, transportation, arrival, sale, treatment and life while enslaved as well as the UKs role in stopping it, But it wont be on the BBC, and he wont be writing it I fear, @smfs Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. The strongest argument I can see for reparations is not that white people bear some kind of ancestral blame. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . Olusogas ancestors will have participated in the capture of sale of slaves in Nigeria. No other race / culture was willing and able to do that. But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) Like Fryers book, Olusogas will inspire and will come to be seen as a major effort to address one of the greatest silences in British historiography. Within the EU the two most common ages of consent are 14 and 15 (if Ive done my counting correctly), though in some but not all cases thats with additional restrictions on permissible age gaps. That involved killing the adult men. If you are wracked with guilt, ashamed of your forebears, do it! Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. They all get it from White people inciting violence. It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either., Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong.. Then dont discuss it. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . However, it applies to at least 80% of Americans. Vikings took slaves, including exporting Anglo-Saxons (you must have heard the quote Non Angli, sed Angeli about the English slaves being sold in Italy? If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. But it is also likely that disease played a role. Peter Olusoga. Support 100 years of independent journalism. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them Though I dont know where wed get $12 trillion in Confederate currency. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. If the alternative was that they were killed? A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. Guess wed have to print it. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others.. It may not. 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