The PNG Museum's motto is 'Preserve and protect PNG's unique cultural, national & contemporary heritage' How does your work help this aim? I SUGGEST THAT ANYBODY CONTEMPLATING THIS SHOULD SPEAK TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS ACTUALLY DONE IT BEFORE THEY THEY RUSH OFF AND WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ON A VENTURE THAT MAY PROVE FINANCIALLY AND PHYSICALLY DAMAGING. Pacific Wrecks has been in contact with Greinert since 2000, and emailed him questions and clarification related to all wrecks he is involved with, and he has reviewed information related to his activities. I HAD TO PAY MY OWN AIRFARES, ACCOMODATION AND ALIKE SO THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT FREEBIES. The B-25 was crewed by six men; pilot, copilot, bombardier or nose gunner, radio operator or waist gunner, flight engineer or navigator and tail gunner. Named in honor of General Billy Mitchell, pioneer of American military aviation, the B-25 Mitchell was manufactured by North American Aviation and saw service in every theater of WWII. The Japanese might have thought that amusing, but they called the Mitsubishi G4M Rikko, truncating their phrase for land-based attack bomber. (The G4Ms predecessor, the Mitsubishi G3M Nell, was also called Rikko.). Like the Zero, its speed and ordnance-carrying capabilities were very good at the expense of crew protection. Mention the Australian Beaufighters Recovered I COULD DISCUSS THIS ISSUE FOR 50 PAGES AND STILL WOULD NOT HAVE COVERED THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF THE QUESTION YOU HAVE ASKED HERE. Betty La Bomba is a Damage Champion in Paladins, added on March 23rd, 2022. It was not recovered, rather restored in Arizona & flew itself to Australia and is registered as VH-EAG, Papua CLARIFICATION The IJNAS requirements were a top speed of 247 mph, a maximum range of almost 3,000 statute miles and a loaded range of 2,300 miles. Unknown to the crew of the Abele, the G4Ms carried the new single-seat, piloted flying bombs in their open bomb bays. Betty La Bomba is a damage champion, capable of outputting massive area damage from long range and zoning control on the map. IN REFLECTION, I THINK THAT ITS BEST TO CONSIDER SALVAGE, IN ORDER TO SAVE THE AEROPLANE FROM THE ENTHUSIASTS. Hand held and operating through a 20-degree arc, it required a pursuing fighter to voluntarily position itself within the cannons tiny field of fire, though this limitation was removed in later versions of the Betty. (His friend Horikoshi seems to have taken the technique to heart in designing the Zero.) The Betty was the product of excellent engineering pushed to the limit and then slightly beyond, to meet requirements created not by aviators but by military bureaucrats. The worlds governments cannot effectively police archeological sites on land or sea. The BETTY bomber crews had to fly within about 23 miles (37 km) of a target due to the Ohka 11's limited range. Whether his engineering team found it aesthetically pleasing is open to question. While inbound to Ie Shima, the surrender planes were met by U.S. P-38s and B-25s. THE RESTORATIONS ARE BEING CONDUCTED ON A FREE OF CHARGE BASIS WITH COMPLETION DATES. According to PIMA, P-47D was 'sold' to them, and two P-40Ks were 'donated' in the same transaction with Greinert, CLARIFICATION SO WHAT WAS THE POINT? AS PER PREVIOUS QUESTION, I WOULD SUGGEST YOUR READERSHIP SEEK OUT MORE SPECIFIC PUBLICATIONS WHERE THESES SORTS OF QUESTIONS ARE DEALT WITH IN DETAIL. Casualties were horrific. During the Malaya campaign, they took . After some practice runs the B-25 became the aircraft of choice, and the rest is history Harold Mac McDowell: B-25J Bettys Dream Radio/Gunner, 345th Bomb Group Association reunion, November 8-12, 2012. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMPLETION OF MANY MUSEUM PROJECTS AND UNDERTAKEN THE RECOVERY OF AIRCRAFT FROM MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING RUSSIA. Interview April 2006. G4M Betty in flames after being shot down by the PB4Y-1 "Porter's Posse" of VB-106 off the coast of Biak Island on May 15, 1944. YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE MUSEUM AND OR '75 SQUADRON'. Is salvage a thing of the past? Many of the Grumman F4F Wildcats and Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bombers on display today were recovered from Lake Michigan years after training crashes sent them to rest on the murky bottom. Mitsubishi produced a total of 2,414 G4M airplanes but few remained when the war ended on August 15, 1945. In 2011 it was operated by Fighter Hangar 1, now known as the Texas Flying Legends Museum. SITTING IN A KUNAI PATCH FOR SIXTY YEARS IS NOT GOING TO PUT FOOD IN THE MOUTHS OF THEIR CHILDREN OR GET THEM THE CRITICAL MEDICINES THEY NEED. It currently consists of a fully restored fuselage, much of it fabricated by Haradas restorers, in a museum near Tokyo. THE TONY RESTORATION WILL ALSO BE FEATURED IN A FORTHCOMING EDITION OF Classic Wings Magazine. Striking distance meant 20 miles or less, thanks to the Ohkas tiny load of rocket fuel, and Betty pilots too often pulled the release handle early. Radio Waatea is Auckland's only Mori radio station that provides an extensive bi-lingual broadcast to its listeners. Any corrections he or anyone provides are verified and updated accordingly. For years it was assumed that the Japanese simply didnt know how to make good paint, but the reason was even more basic. Is there anything left in PNG still worth salvaging? THE TOURISTS GO THERE, TAKE PHOTOS AND LEAVE HAVING HAD THEIR WAR RELIC EXPERIENCE. Though the Betty was initially laid out by engineer Joji Hattori, the lead designer was Kiro Honjo, a good friend of Zero fighter designer Jiro Horikoshi. Our B-25 was never accepted by the USAAF. The ill-conceived notion that objects should be left to rot and protected as such is to guarantee that these sites will be clandestinely looted and stripped of anything of value, which will be sold off either as scrap or to collectors. A VERY SELECT SAMPLE FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES IS MORE LIKE WHAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. The B-25, 45-8835, switched hands a couple of times in Canada including, Aurora Aviation Ltd, G&M Aircraft Ltd and eventually ended up back in the United States at Aero Trader in Chino, CA in 1993. The website wreckchasing.com furthers the argument succinctly. A view from above, also an indication of how far Betty fell when in the elevator. 'The Bomber will fly again': Milwaukie restaurant closes, but B17 is still being restored The B-17 Alliance Foundation says the famous roadside attraction won't be completed until 2035. ITS A DIFFERENT STORY WITH EACH PROJECT. One of the best examples is located at the world-class Air Museum Planes of Fame in Chino, California. Only one U.S. ship, the destroyer Mannert L. Abele, was ever sunk by an Ohka, and it cost six out of the eight attacking Bettys. P-39 project? Nakajima had no such opportunity with the G5N, which turned out to be underpowered and overly complex. Honjo gave the Betty a full complement of guns in waist, dorsal-turret, nose and tail positions, and the roomy fuselage was intended to give the airplanes seven-man crew (later reduced to five when it became increasingly difficult to recruit aircrew) space to move around during long flights and to fill multiple positions. Made by Mitsubishi, the same company that made the Zero . from Canada | Designed by Brent Peterson Digital Ink. The G4M was designed for a long range and high speed at the time, and many weight-saving measures were incorporated into its design. It carried a huge explosive charge, and bore large wooden tailfins that stabilized it in flight and broke away when the torpedo entered the water. guns in the nose, atop the mid-fuselage behind the cockpit, and on both sides of the fuselage behind the wing. The fuselage Hinomaru was outlined with a white square. The final version of the Betty, the G4M4, had an entirely new laminar-flow wing with integrally self-sealing fuel tanks. The Nell was the scourge of China, ranging far and wide during the Sino-Japanese war that preceded WWII. He took over work on the Betty after returning from a fact-finding trip to the U.S. in 1938. It was not recovered, rather restored in Arizona & flew itself to Australia and is registered as VH-EAG. Nor was it a factor during the early days of WWII, when Bettys ranged virtually unopposed against the Philippines, Australia and, in their greatest single victory, against the Royal Navy. Few would know it by its official designation, the Navy Type 1 Attack Bomber. Video is up and was made by the devoted Justwingit, John Kohne. Evidently, only the pieces that survive today arrived at the storage facility at Park Ridge, Illinois, during the late 1940s. As the HARS army massed for the five year recovery plan one felt a personnel sense of achievement in having participated in the setting up of and running an organization that would lead to great works such as the Connies recovery to Australia. We are now sought out by governments and institutions, nationally and internationally, for our expertise in the restoration and operation of vintage aircraft. What do you feel should be done with remaining relics of war. PNG Museum allows only for museum to museum basis, are granted in exchange for work done 1:1 related to projects. LIKE I SAID, ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THIS SORT OF WORK SHOULD APPLY TO THE MUSEUM FOR A SET OF GUIDELINES. With sale prices of restored warbirds so high, and even projects expensive, what is the 'value' of wrecked aircraft? The British had assembled a Singapore-based task force around the battlecruiser Repulse and the battleship Prince of Wales, with which they intended to protect their Southeast Asian territories. CLARIFICATION With its large range and high speed, it became a nightmare for the Allies at the beginning of the war Gifts: You can experience the fun of your . War relics with remains aboard are consider 'war graves' by the United States, Japan and Australia a very different classification all three countries make efforts to recover remains only from these sites, Beaufighter A19-144 Recently we were selected by the South Australian Government to repair and operate the Southern Cross replica. ONCE AGAIN THESE ARE ISSUES FOR GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE This BETTY was flight-tested as Foreign Equipment Test number T2-2205. Invariably those sources dont have a clue as to whats going on or how its actually happening but they still go out of their way to promote false facts. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THESE ARE MATTERS FOR GOVERNMENT. I developed a longing to own a WWII fighter to fly but never imagined it possible. License: Freeware - Free version, Do Not Redistribute. Robert Greinert with P-47 The recovery of the Beaufighters caused a national stir. PACIFIC WRECK DATABASE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THIS. Why were tourist attractions taken? The Type 91 was a remarkable torpedo that could be dropped at speeds in excess of 230 mph. The admirals own noted punctuality doomed him, for the two G4Ms carrying him and his aides intersected perfectly with 16 P-38 Lightnings sent on a precise mission to intercept him over Bougainville, and Yamamoto died in the very airplane that he had helped create. To re-balance the bomber, dihedral was added to the horizontal stabilizer. Every major aviation museum has, or is actively locating crash sites for potential exhibits or restorations. Bettys Dream first flew in March of 1999 including its new bomb bay doors which were taken off while it was being used as a fire bomber. It was Captain Francis Low who first came up with the idea to use air craft carriers to launch bomber planes from the sea instead of the mainland. Is there anything left in PNG still worth salvaging? involved with The engagement did feature the first example of what came to be called kamikaze warfare. Bomber missions demonstrate the credibility of U.S. forces to address a complex and uncertain security environment.(U.S. CLARIFICATION It is estimated that by the end of the war, 5,000 pilots had died making Tokko attacks and the damage they wrought was severe. The Allied reporting name was "Betty". Against limited fighter opposition, the lack of armor and self-sealing fuel tanks was no hindrance. Subscribe here! If its a rainy day: Homeade chili (Large), 10 wings, Fire and BBQ Pork and cheese fries and a coke float and a brownie (Dont judge its cold out) If I get fired I love to order Spicy Buffalo Chicken Fries, The Blackout AND the Mustang burgers, and some Nachos to wash that all down with (Dont worry . Destined to be the main Japanese land-based bomber for the entire war, it was, like other Japanese planes, state of the art at the beginning of World War II but grossly outmatched by American models later in the war. MANY LANDOWNERS HAPPILY SCRAP THE WRECKS IN EXCHANGE FOR A FEW KINA. How relics are owned by the state, but also how local compensation and tourism supersede removal, CLARIFICATION salvager and restorer, and owner of World War II aircraft at HARS. One bomber broke away and he pursued it. THERE ARE SOME GENUINE CONCERNS BROUGHT ABOUT BY A COMMERCIAL SALVAGE OPERATION OPERATING OUT OF AUSTRALIA. One highly regarded Japanese book about Bettys in combat is titled Wings of Flame. Mitsubishi G4M: Why Betty Bombed. In reply I would simply advise that if you dont believe in preserving history for future generations (and it cant be done in the bush) stay behind your computers and get out of the way so we can get on with the job. After a very lengthy restoration, the American Dream flew again in 2009. THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. The white-painted airplane carried officials charged with arranging details of the Japanese surrender. Subscribe to Dark Skies: https://bit.ly/dark5skiesFaster and with a longer range than aircraft at the time, Mitsubishi's G4M was a true beacon of Japanese po. In July 1937, the new Mitsubishi G3M bomber (Allied codename NELL) went into service in China. Subscribe to receive our weekly newsletter with top stories from master historians. IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW MORE ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ASK. Wendell Hanson flew many B-25s in the war, and many variants, At Sioux Falls last summer, a good friend of Alan happened to find us, and we were thrilled to see him! The Allies gave the G4M the reporting name Betty. Yet, items recovered have been traded, donated and sold to other organizations, or other items not part of promised projects salvaged for others, who do not have their own permits in that country. This maintained the internal fuel capacity but adversely affected the airplanes aerodynamics. It could hoist either one 800kg torpedo or 1,000kg of bombs. My parents had migrated to Australia on a Connie and I recall their various reminisce of their first flight in an airplane. Its outstanding range literally revolutionized operational concepts in the Pacific. SO YES IT IS PRICELESS BUT AS FAR AS ITS ALLEDGED HIGH VALUE I WOULDNT KNOW. The recovery of aircraft is never an easy task and it was a great thrill to be part of one of aviation's great adventures with the recovery of the Super Constellation VH-EAG from the Tucson desert. The Mitsubishi G4M was a twin-engine, land-based medium bomber formerly manufactured by the Mitsubishi Aircraft Company, a part of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and operated by the Imperial Japanese Navy from 1940 to 1945. In this, he talks about his last run in a B-25. Mention the Australian Beaufighters recovered. RECOVERYS ARE CONDUCTED THOUGHTFULLY AND BASED ON A GENUINE NEED BASIS, NOT ONE OF COMMERCIAL EXPLOITATION. A G4M1 and a G6M1-L, whitewashed and given green-cross insignia, carried a group of Japanese officers assigned the job of arranging the details of surrender negotiations. Medium Bomber. CLARIFICATION 72" span. The Betty first flew in October 1939 and was manned by a crew of seven. SIMPLY THE PROPOSED RESTORERS LOVE OF HISTORY AND HIS DESIRE TO SEE IT SAVED . HistoryNet.com is brought to you by HistoryNet LLC, the worlds largest publisher of history magazines. B-25s from the 501st Bomb Squadron of the Air Apaches escorted Mitsubishi Betty surrender aircraft en route to Ie Shima in August 1945. Tail code "370" and later "-321". Rather than pull all-nighters, he spent a lot of time in Cambridge playing poker. G4M "Betty" livery for the Ju-88. THESE GUYS RECENTLY CONDUCTED A SURVEY OF LILLY AND HELEN BOMBERS ON THE PNG NORTH COAST FOR POTENTIAL SALVAGE TO ORDER FOR AN AMERICAN COLLECTOR(S). CLARIFICATION At the heart of the collection are . OCCASSIONALLY I MAY BUY OR TRADE IN IT SO I CAN ACQUIRE WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE VARIOUS RESTORATIONS. "Estrella Warbirds Museum is accepting donations for a seat on board the restored World War II Veteran, a C-47B, Betsy's Biscuit Bomber. Betty was actually a waitress in Pennsylvania. Betty Bomber, Truk Lagoon, Micronesia. The Bettys wet wings were its tanks, with fuel cells neatly defined by the main spar and a secondary spar forward of it, the ends sealed by solid wing ribs. Leaving aviation objects outside to rot and be scrapped is not an option. On October 23, 1939, the Japanese G4M, named the "Betty" bomber by the Allies, made its maiden flight. I DONATED A PILE OF [ P-47D "Frankie" 42-8130 ] AND P-40 STUFF [P-40K and P-40K] TO PIMA [ Air & Space Museum ] A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BY WAY OF DONATION. MUSEUM OR INDIVIDUAL. ITS THE SAME SET OF RULES THAT I FOLLOW AND IT WILL NOT VARY FOR ANYONE ELSE. ANYBODY WISHING TO APPLY FOR AN EXPORT PERMIT FROM PNG OR ANYWHERE ELSE SHOULD FIRST CONTACT THE [PNG] NATIONAL MUSEUM. They did nothing. The captured Japanese and German aircraft at Air & Space were War Prizes, not aircraft salvaged from battlefields after the war. 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