But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Buy Now. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. It may not display this or other websites correctly. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . 22 Nosler. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. Interesting. .280 AI hands-down. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. That's how gun control works.". The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. ADG 300 . Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Ban sober drivers from driving. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Both are great rounds. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. You must log in or register to reply here. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. and a high B.C. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. JavaScript is disabled. Well use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. factory 7mm Rem. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Qty: Add to cart . Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. New member question. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. LRHTB. 12 Gauge 1". It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options Clear winner. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Mag. &mm PRC. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Most people are getting sub half moa. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. 180-gr. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. ADG 28 Nosler. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. Those are some impressive numbers. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. rifles. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Does a great job on Elk or pig. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. You are using an out of date browser. Id suggest a similar plan. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Which action are you using and what barrel length? Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. 224 Valkyrie. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. Full Member. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. This rings home with me. JavaScript is disabled. And in the chambers of their rifles. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . without laser assistance. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . Following since I want to do the exact same thing. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. I'm the same as you. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. My vote would be 7RM as well. I would expect the 300 PRC to mirror the performance. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. 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